Near Infrared & Red Light Therapy’s Incredible Healing Potential

 

Light & Biochemistry

light is one of the most significant ways you can affect your biochemistry

the best way to take care of your mitochondria is through light why have we not heard about this before they

found it ridiculous that why couldn't you go to a pharmacy or a fitness center and just like get something that really

boosts your health and that empowers your health and makes you stronger because it has that effect on the mitochondria when you're as into keto

and understanding the connections in your body it also just lit up for me how

much mitochondria and how light receptors are actually in your stomach it's like more there than anywhere else in your body like where the mitochondria

sit or like in your inner organs so if you can reach them with this light yes of course this can have an effect

the benefits of the Sun and why do you think they're trying to block it yeah about the Sun and not the politics of

the Sun or talk about the dangers of too much artificial light I mean we changed everything to LED lighting over it's

almost overnight most LED lights made for households have sort of shortened the wavelength to just be maximally

effective output in order to save energy ironically right it's a climate friendly slash uh you know that kind of

initiative but it has adverse effects on the human physiology they were never tested for they're not necessarily like

you know it's not dangerous they won't kill you to be exposed to one but when you're always around it that has profound consequences for us that we are

kind of just living through the experiment of hey Bjorn welcome to the ketocam podcast

thank you so much for joining me today nice to be here Ben thank you I want to start here with a quote that I heard you

say and I and I loved it and I want you to elaborate on the quote here's the quote light is one of the most significant

ways you can affect your biochemistry the best way to take care of your

mitochondria is through light please share more

well that was sort of the discovery that brought me into uh sort of co-founding a company that has created a a new device

that delivers an infrared near infrared and red light therapy specifically

and uh it is the discovery that there is such a profound effect on the mitochondria from

these specific wavelengths and that's documented back you know several several decades

um this is that this is not widely known was kind of a few of my co-founders were

mildly outraged when they discovered it it's like why have we not heard about this before

they found it ridiculous that why couldn't you go to a pharmacy or a fitness center or wherever and just like

get something that really boosts your health and that empowers your health and

makes you stronger like because it has that effect on the mitochondria um so we were all amazed and uh I knew

nothing about it from before but I had a background with keto and biohacking and

stuff so I already was part of the Paradigm Shift you could say like that part of what we co-founded the company

on um so yeah I would say uh a few things are proven to be more

effective for your mitochondria keto diet might be a very significant other way to affect it but that there is a

clear link between near infrared light wavelengths of specific power and specific wavelengths

and the effect it has on the mitochondria and the quite dramatic benefits that you can it can also then

create um yeah we have to get this out to people I agree 100 and you know it's not

surprising to me that this information was kind of covered because let's face it you can't really

put it into a pill right you can't make billions of dollars like you can with big Pharma so it makes sense to me that

most people don't know this but let's unpack infrared light near infrared far infrared what exactly that means and

what is the role of the sun with all this as well yeah I mean uh the sun is the start of

it all uh right because we we tend to think of it as an object or something that we kind of take for granted but we

live inside of this Cosmic ferocious sort of energy crazy Spectrum we are this little kernel

in the middle that's like shielded and it's like perfectly protected from it and we tend to think I don't know at

least how I grew up it was sort of like outer space with some sort of empty place you know uh and the really only reason

why it sort of feels like an empty place it's because our ears and eyes are adapted to this earth that we inside

this bubble so we can't our ears can't pick up but when you do all the I mean

all the signs like I'm you know I'm really into cosmology uh it's a sort of a side thing but all the stuff that

you learn about how the universe actually works uh it's ferocious out there so much energy so much power

and it's feeding everything right and we even have this day night circadian rhythm just to like you know

the the balance of life in a way hinges on being able to bounce back of like being like a wafer

six hours or 12 hours from that sun right so the power of the sun is just

How much of light is infrared?

like that's the force of it all and infrared is a very large part of the

spectrum just off the visible spectrum and is actually uh over 50 percent is

measured 53 of the energy total energy on the spectrum that we get is from the

infrared range it is a very profound part of the spectrum it's not just a narrow bandwidth right and that has

produces a lot of effects in the body that we can't see it because it penetrates through us

the wavelengths are longer so and because the wavelengths are long they have the the property that they can

penetrate through the skin so with the device we created to go straight on the skin and just be like maximally

efficient you can get up to 10 centimeters depth like that energy can reach

up to 10 centimeters in right which reaches um your mitochondria

yeah you reach the mitochondria in a way you couldn't um couldn't from other other kinds of

light and like with the panel with the Red Light

How far does near infrared light penetrate skin?

Panel which I also love I have one here too that is very different than your device and if you're watching on YouTube

I'm going to hold it up here you can see it's called the flex beam and we'll talk more about it because this is actually making contact with your skin so you're

saying this penetrates deeper about 10 centimeters deep versus uh red light

panels or even the sun it's not touching your skin directly number one but also there's a reflection coming off as well

the skin is that true yeah uh indeed and this uh the sign stemmed from our

inventor audien Helder who like discovered this and he's like a super super smart nerd about this could put

all this together when he realized the like he had the capacity to do it right but his first Insight is that the way

you can get red light therapy from a panel and they're all sort of they're mass produced like in China they're

actually made for plants originally and then someone re-made them so you can sell them to humans

and it makes sense it's a light source but the physics of it is that you if you're only this far like 10 centimeters

away from the source you have lost 90 of the energy already wow like it doesn't

it doesn't really travel wide like yes there may be some benefits of being in a room that's sort of lit with red light

or infrared but if you want to get that powerful effect like you if you actually want to reach

down and give a dose to your mitochondria of this energy you need it to be like really directly on and quite

powerful why can't you make contact with the panel why can't you just put the panel on your skin then

I mean you can uh of course it's I mean it's not super comfortable to have that

for various reasons onto your skin um but like if you have a small one that

you can cover apart or something but there's also significant electromagnetic radiation or emfs like coming from such

devices and they're usually when when they're grounded they have a lot of emfs so we designed our device specifically

that it's totally encased so it has like we have videos it's like measuring it it's like you know there's virtually

nothing so this is part of like it should come as close as possible and not be dangerous or cause any other

um potential damage I love that you measure the emfs that was a question I was going to ask you and your YouTube

channel is terrific you have a lot of videos on there about the different uses um for the flex payments and conditions

yeah it was terrific I had a great time looking at it and we'll dive a little bit more until into your products but I

How is FlexBeam different from other devices?

want to stay on the topic of red light and photobiomodulation there are a lot of studies out there right I mean you

talk about it a lot I've seen a lot of studies on PubMed and other sources there are thousands of studies on the benefits of photo biomodulation so now

you're explaining to me there is a difference between actually physically having the red light touch

you versus being a few inches away or a few centimeters away I'm thinking and the question is like the studies that

show the benefits what are they referring to more of the panel or the person's away and if that's

the case that's interesting because if you're still losing 90 of the benefits but they're still showing you know some

positive benefit in the study that's pretty remarkable are there some studies that distinguish kind of the ones that are being applied or you're touching the

panel versus the ones that you're a dis you're distant from does that make sense yeah that makes good sense and it's a

uh there are various devices have been used it's usually trying to measure a certain dosage right so it's a certain

kind of output there's a calculation for you could put almost any kind of panel or light in as long as it has these in

these frequencies or this this and this power um but I mean we are doing in the small

scale that we can afford but building up so for us is very important to document this and uh

yes there's a lot of red light therapy devices out there but we are really marketing and selling and finding an

audience with people who don't know about that whole like what that universe is like in the

first place is their first introduction to the idea that infrared or light red can have some sort of some sort of

property uh so for us it's super important to document the science not just pointing to there's 15 000 papers

on PubMed on photobiomodulation wow I mean I'm not saying they're all good papers right but you know there are a

Did NASA invent red light therapy?

lot of people are working on it uh and and have been for for quite a while and and NASA developed this like prototypes

for it in the 2000s and they used it as part of their astronaut programs and stuff so a lot of it there's a lot there

but it hasn't quite reached through in medical science

for various reasons uh we can explore not Explorer and then also

um it hasn't um it hasn't been made available right in a certain kind of way

and the kind of device we could make now really rests on an LED Revolution that

happened a few years back where it's even possible to pack in certain kind of power like this kind of thing would be a

lot more difficult and more expensive just 10 years ago yeah and you know you're right you you ask a conventional

allopathic doctor about the benefits of red light therapy should I implement it for my you know health and they're going

to probably say um they have never heard of it or it's a little woo-woo there's no signs to show that it works so it's it's far along in

that case but in Aerospace right the biohacking space alternative medicine space we understand photobiomodulation

What does red light do to the mitochondria?

is very important we understand the role the importance of healthy mitochondria so with the mitochondria and you're

explaining how red light has the ability to actually penetrate the cell membrane mitochondrial membrane

and create this positive hormetic benefit what is the mechanism here is it is the is the light stressing

the mitochondria and that stress is forcing it to adapt and create um more mitochondria via mitochondrial

biogenesis is the stress also causing the weak mitochondria to go into mitophagy what exactly is happening

biochemistry wise I mean from what I know of it and and my background is more philosophy of science

and then science uh on this but it's a the prevailing mechanism or the one that

is uh usually referred to the most is the Hermetic stress type response that it causes that it stimulates like you

know it's a nicer word to say you've stimulate it but that's what stimulation is you were just ratcheting and they're letting it letting it bounce back you

know and that's um but there are many mechanisms with infrared it is it is

actually uh it's a little bit of a it's not a mystery but there's so many uh different aspects like we produce a

chart of this on our on our web page so just like all the things that happens when you energize mitochondria and the

list kind of like it's really it's got profound systemic effects right um

that that's I want to look at that chart I was just looking it up on right now that's fascinating it's on your

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let's get back to today's video for mesis right and we know the value of hormesis that's what keto does that's

what fasting does what cold exposure does Sauna red light therapy that means there's a right way to do it and not

How much red light therapy should you use?

more is not necessarily better and what is a good I know everybody's different

everybody has different uh healthier mitochondria versus the mitochondria that might be in a cellular danger

response and dysfunctioning what would be a good gauge to know if you are in

that hormetic zone or if you've done too much red light or or any kind of hermetic stress what's a good way to

pick what's a good thing to pay attention to you know that's a really good question

Ben and is one of the challenges of this is finding exactly articulating what is the Goldilocks zone right for the dose

uh and I mean first off you're absolutely right is the one thing we usually have to tell people who get

excited about this when they first feel the effects that just because you

like use for 10 minutes and you do feel something where it seems good um that doesn't doing 60 Minutes is not

going to make it six times better yeah right um we our default mindset is like more

is better right in this case it's it's not so uh I mean we advise taking small breaks

that you use it daily and then take a break or two uh and keep observing what

is happening like if you don't have any um like if you're not noticing any effects like you do most people do in

the beginning like where it becomes noticeable by the way I mean you you have tried one

yeah yeah so I could share my experience right so yeah I and I have uh the panel

and I have some other um like more targeted but I've never had one that actually is is like this where

actually strap it on and make contact with it and then there's different settings here so there's three different

settings uh one two and three and you could explain a little bit about each different setting and what it does but

I've been using it for a week now and I've used it I woke up uh the other

morning in my upper backslash neck was bothering me so I was doing some stretches and then I thought oh I have

the flex beam so I applied it you know on my backslash shoulder and I did some

stretches and you know what the Pain's gone it went away in about 24 hours but it was borrowing me a lot that morning something that I'm dealing with right

now and I want you to coach me on how I should use this is um two days ago Sunday so what is that three days ago I

was playing basketball I do every Sunday and I was playing against the six foot five guy I'm six foot two so I'm not

sure but this guy was taller and I went to go drive to the basket and his knee went right into my thigh and I have this

deep contusion bruise in my thigh right now that I can't even walk without being in pain so I've been putting this on

there um once a day for 10 minutes right over that bruise should I do more which

setting should I do so you give me some coaching on how I should use that for this thigh contusion

yeah so in in this case I would say you put it on like you just place it where it hurts after it hurts right as the

initial uh stimulus um and then because this is relatively acute right this is something that

happened like an incident then one more time before bed ah to stimulate before

because your recovery is then really happens overnight right um and they're actually uh we have

How can I make red light therapy more effective?

significant in the earliest case studies we have on sleep and the connection with improving sleep with red light therapy

or like with uh with the flex beam it's also an interesting side effect but the the sleep cycle is very important right

um so that you keep applying it then every day and every day for up to a week I mean

you should be able to see something within a couple of days or feel that it's well you know faster than usual on

Monday the day after I couldn't even walk like I usually walk my dog twice a day and I was having really hard time doing that today I'm able to walk much

better I'm able to go up my stairs here in my townhouse that I live in so it's getting better um it's still really painful I'm not

able to run but with that being said I do think it is helping me because when I

looked up uh thigh contusions and that's exactly what I have mild thigh

contusions take about seven to ten days to recover and then more severe ones take about like a month I think mine is

more mild to a little bit severe and I'm on track to play again this Sunday like that is my goal and now I'm just going

to add in that nighttime routine of the flex payment and I'll give you I'll give you an update if I'm able to play basketball yeah cool I look forward to

hearing that that's a good challenge yeah and I think that's the kind of challenge I would love to hear about that actually because this is these are

the like I'm not gonna over promise anything because everybody is different than right it's hard to be like the

salesman of it but hey try it out for yourself you're already into self-experimenting and uh we have 15 000

users now wow like we have a trust pilot like excellent rating like people we we

do this because people love this device and what it does for them and that's what really drives it forward

and then everybody's different and finds a different use um you know but um

yeah see if it like it should help you reach that game but uh I'm gonna add a

nighttime routine starting tonight and then I'll continue with the daytime which setting should I choose one two or

three and explain the settings by the way yeah so it's uh it's about the ratio

What is the difference between red light and infrared red light?

between red and near infrared light red is really useful for skin so it

stimulates collagen production and really penetrates Only Skin level or just sort of toward the epidermis

whereas infrared goes deep right and has a slightly different effect that it penetrates so the difference between one

two and three is really how deep you want to treat so a setting one is mostly we say it's skin it's a skin level

there's just a light infrared part so you can penetrate a little bit but it's

mostly surface it's like what 625 nanometers or so 625 and then 8 15 near

infrared so it's just the ratio is different then it pulsates a bit differently so it's designed for skin

and setting two is the one if you're ever in doubt you can always use setting two because it's it's got just as much

of both red and infrared and it's pulsating it's like it's quite powerful infrared but if you go to

setting three you get very little red and only infrared even more

that's the deep tissue like the when you really need to reach something

for a lot of muscular sorry I should probably be doing more three than anything else sounds like like three is

probably going to be most effective but two will not be wrong so I I mean for myself I would say I would start with

two because you would have an effect and then you could go to three eventually to kick it up a gear I'll do

that they're both they're both gonna they're both going to give you a strong dose in 10 minutes yeah that's the cool

thing I like about it and I don't have to I could take it with me so I could be working I could be cooking I could be

doing without reading a book and it's strapped on you know for those who are watching on YouTube you saw you saw the device and you could always look it up

we'll put a link down below but it's scrapped on it has a strap here it has three light bulbs here

I don't know are they called light bulbs or panels we'll call them well they're uh light emitting diodes there you go

yeah and then they have the settings feature and then you turn it on select the setting and it's about 10 minutes long uh and here's what I found in my

research at least let's see if this has changed but Flex beam is three times more powerful than any wall panel on the

market I've heard you say that before is that still the case I think that they're well panels now that are similar power that uh when we

did that it was when we launched originally on crowdfunding that was the case from the looking at the specific area that you cover in terms of the

effect you get in that one spot if you put it over your shoulder uh is is much

much stronger than any of the prevailing like the Jews and things at the time I know that there's more power packed into

these panels now got it so I'm not going to stand it like I don't think that's right anymore yeah

out of your how many years of research have you been when do you start the company how long have you been

researching photo biomodulation well it started in 2018 uh and we did r d and prototyping and

develop until 2020 so that was the heavy research phase we already had an early idea for what it would do but a lot of

the extra time on development was trying to find like time to determine that Goldilocks

zone that you're referring to earlier because everybody's so different and to find settings that are safe but still

powerful and that will give results and finding advice around it too uh it's something we're learning as we're going and so

we're trying to be clearer about it we're going to be even clearer with our current users and give them more tips

and tricks if they you know along the line when they use the device um this is not something we're learning

from feedback as we get more and more users yeah there's a bit of like we're charting a new way with this and we're

trying to be super transparent about everything we have and we want to make sure it's very very safe but we want to

learn from all our users the five seven eight years of research

Can red light therapy help gut health?

you've been doing on photobiomodulation at all the hours you've spent and all

the anecdotal evidence all the stories of you your users what's the most surprising

benefit you've seen with red light therapy photo by modulation what surprised you the most

that's a really good question I think for me personally uh it was the connection to the gut

yeah so I mean we now mostly promote this and sell it and talk about it in the sense of you know injuries that have

specific uses or like you strain something or for like a recovery of athletic issues that's the main sort of

storyline about this is really really powerful and good for um but it has this uh

when you're as into keto and understanding the connections in your body as much it also just lit up

for me how much mitochondria and how much light receptors are actually in your stomach and it's like more there

than anywhere else in your body right um so simply just putting it on like

that's how I first could notice that this does something you know what I mean because it impacted my digestive system

in such a way um in the beginning you're often looking for a way to like

to be assured of yourself it's really working is really doing something because the treatment itself is quite

invisible it helps when you understand the science but if you don't understand the science it's a bit like okay

it's like you're expecting it to be like a massage gun that is like popping or something right but it's like you're having to let it work and you have to

often sleep and just feel better the next day it's not about like instant right it's not like an instant thing

yeah so the gut has more light receptors than anywhere else that is interesting

so would the best the best time to use it be after a meal during digestion or

would that not be the best time to use it um I think if you don't have digestive

issues like after a meal is not necessarily um uh

the best idea on an empty stomach it can be a very powerful way to uh to stimulate your gut microbiome

uh in the morning it's a way to reset like if you want to help reset your

circadian rhythm for example using it in the morning in the evening and then on the stomach is uh is one of

the more effective settings and personally I like it because you're sort of you're hugging it and you're getting the warmth into your core right

so um I know a lot of people who favorably use it as part of meditation in that way and they're just like making themselves

more focused on the gut and then having this sort of healing 10 minute session that is also a

you know a Letting Go moment and just soaking up the energy where you know it's going to be the most effective

systemically um yeah that was the most surprising thing to me that it was not just muscle

ligaments but you know the core I love I

Is infrared light good for period cramps?

love that idea I haven't used it on my gut yet and I will knowing that uh what

about something that is very common for the ladies out there who have a menstrual cycle or menstrual cramps and

extreme cramps around their ovaries um it could sideline them for a few days I've seen this with my fiance can this

help have you heard about this helping with menstrual cramps yeah a lot actually for for my girlfriend for lots of people

we have testimonials on it um it's one of those things they actually want

to want to get the word out about more but see part of the challenge with this

is um I feel like already Ben I'm starting to sound like the sort of infomercial salesman because it's like

it's just like there's this benefit there's that benefit and it's uh it's very hard to grasp unless you

really have the mindset that I think like you and I and a lot of your listeners have that are just like

seeking for like rationally for information but for most people it's just it sounds too good like you know

that it's working for so many things so we focus on muscle repair and the sort

of pain relieving aspects related to Athletics but one of the most powerful some of the most powerful cases we have

are with endometriosis and women's reproductive Health

um it's like using it for 10-minute sessions that you actually can really stimulate like all your organs right uh

like you had on your show uh recently a doctor talked about this

uh the amazing doctor had on who talked about how much

mitochondria is in your ovaries and your eggs yeah talk to Courtney hunt yeah yeah yeah yeah that was an amazing

interview and uh just something about like where the mitochondria sit or like

in your inner organs so if you can reach them with this light yes of course this can have an effect it's gonna have a positive effect

um so for a lot for a lot of women it's like uh it's it's a good friend to have a few days of the month

yeah I could imagine well now that I'm gonna tell my fiance to use the next time she has hers so

I mean yes I get it you don't want to sound and we don't want to sound like we're just selling the product and we're

we're not but we're talking about the mitochondria and it's just it's essential to have healthy functioning

mitochondria and there's many ways to do it exercise uh the sun will help with the mitochondria of course ketosis

How can I improve my mitochondrial health?

fasting cold exposure sauna red light therapy there's many many ways to do it and when you when you upgrade your

mitochondria you're going to upgrade your health and that's why it's like yeah it helps with this condition and that condition because we have

mitochondria essentially in all the most of our cells and the cells that have the highest concentration of mitochondria

are the cells that are most metabolically active and very very important like the gut you mentioned the

ovaries the testicles the eyeballs the brain so what about the testicles for guys because I've read studies on

photobi about my photobiomodulation increasing testosterone is this safe to

put like against the testicles yeah we have a separate protocol for that though because we really caution against

putting like using too much so for that I believe we have on our website we have

case studies also on it where we show testosterone increase but it's very

important not to use too much infrared light because it's a very sensitive area

so that's where uh that's where setting one usually comes in handy because the

red light is totally safe and the infrared in there is just enough to give you that light stimulus so for

um for anything that's uh it's like endocrine or you know

um what hormone related you mean yeah hormone related uh would be like places

to just be cautious about how much you expose it at the time that makes sense and you know the same

thing the same thing with the sun right the sun is great you don't want to get burned that's not that's not the goal and it's interesting you know I'm just

the topic of the Sun real quick we know and you could speak on this more than I can but the sun is just so important to

health and Humanity but it's interesting that we have villainized sun the sun we

have villainized this amazing a healing Source we have right outside every single day to put the body in a

healing State and we're trying to block it I don't know if you probably have seen that but Bill Gates and others want

to block it I think I read something where the United States government is looking at a 44-page report to do

something to block the sun we've said it's the cause of skin cancer and melanoma like can we can we get a little

bit deep into what's going on here and how the Sun is so important for Humanity

um yeah about the Sun and not the politics of the sun or yeah I mean the politics unfortunately is involved with

it but ideally I don't want to get too much into the politics yeah like what's

going on um in terms of how powerful it is or the

source at all this you know the the benefits of the Sun and what do you why do you think they're trying to block it

you could go you know you don't have to hold back if you don't want to know why they're trying to block it I

What is the connection of light to life?

mean presumably it's uh overwhelming for global warming yeah that's uh it's a

rationale but uh yeah thinking through the implications of how that would change and filter the light we have here

on Earth I mean uh it's important to at least be able to talk about the like

the light environment that's a like a clunky term but just the idea of that

there is something called the light environment that actually directly always impacts you I mean we chose near

infrared because of this link to mitochondria and it's hey it's super powerful but photobiomodulation is about

the whole Spectrum like the all light actually impacts you

it's just some things more effectively and more visibly than others but you're always stimulated by the whole radiation

that like when you're out in the sun you have the whole Spectrum the whole time right and and speaking of which I mean

What are the hazards of artificial light?

artificial light is talk about the dangers of too much artificial light like right now I have

this big light right here I have some lights behind me now I'm getting some natural light through my windows but

it's still being filtered through glass so it's not the same thing so I am very aware of the artificial light and I wear

things like blue light blocking glasses to help filter it out I get outside as much as possible so what are some of the

problems with too much artificial light and not enough um of the near-infrared light when it

comes to the Sun or red light I mean we changed everything to LED lighting over

it's almost overnight but you know as on the civilizational scale it was like one moment if you if you take the advantage

point of you know from the Moon looking down at the Earth or something we had electricity if you went through the 50s

and the 60s you would see at night on Earth that it's lighting up everywhere right it's like more and more

electricity there's more and more power being used at night all these light bulbs and then at some point if you

could have a frequency meter or like certain glasses you could look and see the frequencies that of that are emitted

of the light on Earth around early 2000s it just kind of all shifts on the

spectrum because most LED lights made for households have sort of shortened the wavelengths to just be maximally

effective output in order to save energy ironically right so it's like it's a climate friendly slash uh you

know that kind of initiative um but it had it has adverse effects on

the human physiology they were never tested for but their Mass implanted they're not necessarily like you know

it's not dangerous they won't kill you to be exposed to one but when you're always around it uh like that has like a

profound consequences for us that we are kind of just living through the experiment of you know so at least being

mindful of um where your sources of light come from uh yeah super important then yeah so

Should solar geoengineering be used to reduce global warming?

important to consider that so is it a good idea to block the Sun for global warming or should we do something else

yeah you keep wanting to give me time it's an interesting time honestly I

haven't I haven't explored the issue in detail to me it sounds like one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard

um and it sounds like something that is like a movie script kind of idea but

um I'll I'll read more about it after this interview and keep an open Line how's that that sounds good that's fair

that's totally fair let's get back to the topic of uh red light therapy here I have I have a whole bunch of conditions

that I see my students deal with and people that come to me we covered a couple of them like low testosterone uh

cramping low back pain is very very common something I used to deal with for many many years um thankfully Annette I

don't deal with that now but can you share a little bit about what this can do for low back pain which can be so debilitating

yeah I mean that was my own entry point into it like that's the one what I use it most consistently for I had uh some

Is infrared good for lower back pain?

sort of old injury coupled with the bad dead lift 15 years ago or something it was one of those things that it's just

it healed but it it's always weak it's always the weak point like

um having that so uh I find it very effective for that and it's very practical to use like because it

literally sits the the width of it for someone your size and mine it perfectly fits your lower back and you can just

wrap it around um and you know you can just walk around like you could even use

it with exercising if you wanted to but just to um

uh like to relieve the area first like that's the the sort of um I don't know

if you found this when you tried it yourself if you felt that sort of pulsation that comes out of the device or the warmth that it gives yeah it gets

really warm and then there's a fan that turns on so it doesn't get too hot right yeah so uh it cools down uh the lights

because they're quite powerful lights they are yeah I I love that it's 10 minutes and I love

that it's so flexible you can use it wherever you go yeah so low back pain great option for that

there's also um you could use it for muscle soreness recovery sleep I mean there's a lot of

studies and it's not just your product that I'm referencing here it's light that red light therapy in general but this one is a targeted one that's

different than most out there um personally I feel really good when

How to Know Your Red Light Therapy Goldilocks Zone

I'm consistently getting red light um whether it's from a panel but now I've been using yours it's more targeted

I feel really good with it I do take some time off and here's my thought process when we were talking a little

bit ago about how do you know you're in that Goldilocks zone that's that sweet spot here's what what I think would be

the best way to gauge that well two ways number one how do you feel that day that you've used red light therapy or you did that

cold exposure or you did that workout if you felt more energized the rest of the

day you probably are in that Goldilocks zone if you felt more depleted and tired you probably did too much so pay

attention to how you feel the rest of the day also looking at heart rate variability is such a great tool to see

if you've overdone it it's going to give you a good idea of the balance of your nervous system if you did too much not

only will you feel off but you'll see you'll see your heart rate variability drop and it'll stay lowered for a couple

of days and that's probably not a good thing but if you see your heart rate variability increase that means you had a good balance of parasympathetic and

sympathetic so I would look at that those two things how you feel an HRV to gauge if you're doing just enough the

right amount or too much of it what do you think about that yeah I think that's great uh I'm actually can I hire you for

our version 2 Team where we're trying to exactly establish this because uh we can we can measure those things in the next

device that we're developing so that we can we can give you data back to show the effect right so uh maybe we talk

after the show if you yeah we can enroll you in a research program that is so smart you know looking at also resting

heart rate as well that body temperature that is so smart to do that because it's you know we could do that now and it's

super super cool we could actually like see exactly what's happening of course it's important to pay attention to how you feel but also you could look at

these numbers engage and see if you're doing it because a lot of people they can't do this meaning they can't do

10 minutes of a cold exposure or even three minutes of a cold exposure and maybe they can't even do multiple Flex

beam sessions because they're so they're in a Cell danger response and their mitochondria are uh are stuck in what's

called this wartime metabolism Dr Robert navio has coined this where the their stress bucket is so high they

encounter another stress in the mitochondria lower energy production to

deal with that stress and then it gets stuck there like covid right long covet is an example of the CDR response the

Long COVID and Mitochondrial Dysregulation

person is so stressed their stress bucket is so full they get covered they

deal with covet after a week or two covet is gone but now the mitochondria are stuck in the CDR response and if you

go and tell them to do a three-minute cold bath or a multiple 10 minute red light therapy sessions they're going to

feel awful because they're not going to adapt to it right so we got to make sure it's being used to the right for the

right person for the long uh right amount of time is what I'm trying to say yeah for sure that's exactly uh that's

exactly the goal yeah on your YouTube channel I was telling you before we hit record which

is what is the name of the YouTube channel I don't have it in front of me it's recharge Health it's uh the company

What aggravates carpal tunnel syndrome?

and the device we made is called flexbeam so the YouTube channel is called recharge off I'm looking at it now I was

looking at it earlier today just to get an idea of some of the some of the anecdotal evidence you have

on here and you're getting some good amount of views first of all good job with your YouTube channel but I it's really interesting because I

see a video here on how this person healed carpal tunnel syndrome with the

flex beam maybe you want to talk a little bit more about what causes carpal tunnel and how this helps with that because that is a common problem with

people on the computer all day yeah sure that is an in that's a either

inflammation or restriction kind of uh problem like

um anything related like carpal tunnel syndrome and similar kinds of conditions uh

I mean in parallel you have arthritis like issues as well is usually about constriction somehow uh so I mean the

mitochondria that we talk mostly about here that's the sort of the central mechanism so to speak that really

energizes your whole system and locally wherever you are applying it um but one of the one of the effects or

How does infrared light increase circulation?

physiological effects of near infrared light is to stimulate better blood flow

and increasing oxygenation in the blood so that's why it has this local effect

of reducing inflammation if there is inflammation but opening up the vessels

so whatever the energy you have in your hand can flow more freely after using it it's like it's widening it if I mean my

medical and scientific team would kill me for using such such a terminology but that's not only how I can how I can

describe what we see as the pattern of the different kinds of conditions that our carpal tunnel syndrome is one

of them uh where clearly this kind of light and dosage has um has an effect

and uh with users not like for that kind of condition reporting sort of third

fourth day is when it's like they started really noticing something they never noticed before

right that's super cool yeah that's awesome um I love that you have so many

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Who should avoid red light therapy?

ask you this somebody's probably watching and wondering this are there any contraindications any medications that you shouldn't combine with this

anything that you should be aware of who should not be using this uh they're not many contrary indications

uh because it's generally a very safe technology and as I get studied for safety a lot uh that's why we put it in

our sort of first device but uh one group should be careful as if you had a

recent tattoo with like very dark ink uh to be careful because it has potential burning issue

if you overuse it because it's like it changes the condition of the skin uh

generally like uh I mean cancer patients and pregnant women

Etc uh are there are no they're usually told that to avoid such

things because there are no studies on whether it's safe or not uh there are no studies because you're

not allowed to make those studies correct yeah there's the loop there's a lot of things that are just saying that

pregnant women should not use it and people with uh late stage cancer should not use it and so on is because you

can't get an ethical ethical board to approve a survey of those people so we don't know basically

so that's uh you know that's why we caution against it is one of our contraindications

potentially cancer patients and pregnant women uh what about because these are

Can near infrared light damage your eyes?

these are very powerful when I look at the when I turn this on your device versus like a Red Light Panel that I

have here uh this is a lot more uh powerful it's so I I don't look at it

with my eyes and I think in the brochure with this it said not to look out with the eyes it comes with goggles so

um is that important to not look at your device with your eyes should you wear goggles all the time and can you put this over your head or your eyes and

with your eyes covered or would it be safe yeah I mean uh we have goggles in there

because in your country we could be sued by someone if we didn't put them in there okay got it uh if it was up to me

I wouldn't put the goggles there just a very clear uh warning that infrared lights because you can't see it like

it's literally invisible if you stare at it uh your eyes won't blink because it doesn't recognize the

blinking reflex you have comes from visible light so therefore you will not blink and therefore like over time if

you sit there for a while you can really damage your eyes uh it is not at all dangerous to look at

the light on the flex beam or anything and you start it and you pick it up and it's like it's totally not a problem it

is if you put it over your eyes for several minutes and I don't know why you would do that but yeah don't do that

that's why that's why we would that's why we have the goggles okay understood and can you use it on your head you want

to place it over your right then we generally don't recommend putting it over your brain or your like a head or it's not the sign for the face it can be

a very nice you can you can fold it and curve it and have the first setting the skin setting you can get a very nice

glow glowing thing you can hold it in front of your face for 10 minutes it can be really warm up your skin and have

nice skin benefits but it's not a it it's not a beauty device it's like a

very powerful recovery device yeah after a multitude of uh of different

conditions so where do you see this this space of photobiomodulation going in the

What's the future of photobiomodulation?

next five years like what do you what do you foresee is going to happen it's going to be more widely accepted by the

conventional approach or what do you expect is going to happen next five years yeah also an excellent question uh

there's definitely a sense of a paradigm shift that I think is questing alongside with the space that you're also in with

with Keto and so on there's uh this there's a paradigm shift in terms of how we

approach our health and that photobiomodulation will be uh will be

more or less known not as a term but that this this idea I think will reach

more widely but I'm also somewhat worried about it being over hyped and

drowning in a sea of cheap products uh many of them that don't actually produce any benefits that are just riding the

hype right now I already see that on Amazon unfortunately yeah Amazon is like a like

one of the reasons we decided not to sell on Amazon is because we looked at what actually comes up there and it's

like do you want to be the premium device in the trash Heap or yeah I mean sorry I'm sure there are other

competitors are watching I'm sure there's nice devices out there too but uh I don't mean to disparage but it's

just yeah there's a lot of junk and right now there's um the whole idea red light therapy I think

is about to enter the mainstream but as a cosmetic application yeah the face

mask phenomenon has now I've counted I've lost count of companies I think there's

50 or 100 companies that are all producing basically the same thing and then I you know I don't know they

should work I don't know I haven't tried one the idea of it is so but they're only for the face and for the face you

need just a very tiny power like to have certain kinds of effects

um but that I think is uh is going to make like red light therapy synonymous

with something that's like potentially superficial potentially not really working it can also have a boomerang

effect that it just becomes known as something that is just junk so

it it matters how you approach it and what's your light source and how you go about it you know it's not a given that

everyone will Embrace this um and photobiomodulation captures so much uh and many of the effects of some

of the wavelengths that are established are still so subtle right so

one of the reasons I found near infrared to be the most interesting is because it's among the more like it's probably

the most like profound effect that you can that you can feel and you can note right so uh I'm not sure if

photobiomodulation will be mainstream in five years but that's something like this kind of treatment that we've tried

to create and it's through this device that this is like an something you have in your home that you

don't have to be in like a special interest group or follow a certain like certain podcast or a certain stream or

anything that it's just it's a thing that you have so that's what we are on the path to to

create this is just our version one but our vision really is that once you make

it easy enough for people to use and make it powerful enough and it's also logged in with your already digital

applications it can tell you stuff about yourself like why would you not want to have one of those at home you don't have to be like a a super nerd like us to

sort of appreciate that it's like your home doctor right it's just that people haven't heard about this technology we

can put this together which is what we're doing then in five years um I think a lot of people can have

heard about that yeah I love that and you're right it's going to be a double-edged sword kind of

like what keto is keto is so popular it's a double-edged sword a lot of people you know do it the wrong way unfortunately so we're gonna drop a link

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a few days I'll give you some feedback on that uh very final question for you Bjorn is

about um gratitude I love gratitude vitamin G it's such a

incredible healing supplement puts you in this loving incredible healing state so I

want to ask you what are you grateful for right now I am honestly very grateful to be here

and have this conversation with you uh this is one of the most fun conversations I've had in a long time about this topic

and I have plenty of them I really enjoyed discovering your show and what you do I think you do a really really

important job so I'm really grateful for what you bring out as uh as I told you I

think before we went on air I discovered keto back in 2014 around the time

that you did as well and yeah so when I discovered now like with I mean these

kinds of resources you're bringing out through books and podcasts and everything that wasn't really the literature was very thin at that point

uh I think there were a lot of scientific stuff but you know like you're really helping to spread a

message I'm grateful to anyone who understands

and participates in this well I think is a paradigm shift for our health that we're you know trying to

move the world in the right direction of discovering more making things more available for people to be healthier

without relying on a lot of the typical things that we go to for help with

health with medical stuff right well there's a new way of doing things so yeah uh thank you for the

opportunity and uh I want to thank your listeners for following us through this

I appreciate that I appreciate that viewer no thank you for making a product and putting all the energy the bandwidth

the resources to get it out to the masses I'm excited to hear you know about version two and and what that's gonna have and include it's so important

to have something like this so we could get people away from the sick care system get them off their medication get

them away from these nasty surgeries and these dangerous surgeries these fad diets and I'm all for it anything that

harnesses the innate intelligence and allows the body to do what it's designed to do which is what your product does I'm all for it and I'm grateful for the

product and I'm grateful for you so thanks for coming on the show anywhere else you want them to go uh website social media to check you out yeah we're

recharge health is our company so recharge.health is our URL and you find us on Instagram Facebook whatever enter

recharge health or Flex beam you'll also find this we'll drop that down below thank you Bjorn for sure thank you so

much